The cause, however, could not be more noble or honorable. Firearm parts manufacturer in Colona, Illinois, U.S. http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Rock-River-Arms-Inc, http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=24, "And Then There Was One: Feds Select New Fighting Rifle, Rock River's DEA Carbine", "ISOF Arms & Equipment Part 1 â Personal Equipment â Armament Research Services", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rock_River_Arms&oldid=970713189, Firearm manufacturers of the United States, Companies based in Henry County, Illinois, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 1 August 2020, at 23:22. It boggles the mind that this is happening. I donned my suit and spent time there too, representing Guns Save Life. Fortunately, for the consumer, the suffering will be minimal. I thank him and you should as well. Maybe some or all of those reasons, maybe something else. Or, you know, it’s f’ing automated by viglink like half the dang sites on the web. Please have your dealer E-mail or fax a copy of their license, including your name and order number, … You have to wonder if Owens is really so willfully blind as to swallow the SA/RR story hook, line and sinker, or if there’s another reason for his dogged defense of these companies that he’d rather his readers not know. They just screwed the people of Illinois over, new about it, and tried to cover it up. I replied to them. From The Gun Writer. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols in addition to rifles. Item must ship to an FFL dealer. Come on. What he said. Rock River Arms, Incorporated is a manufacturing company based in Colona, Illinois that manufacturers parts and accessories for AR-15/M16 type rifles, as well as complete firearms. We rallied the troops. I welcome you to the productive side of society. I told him about the political donations his lobbying group, IFMA, had made to anti-gun Democratic politicians. The committee meeting for this was March 28th where the exemption with Keller’s clients by Harmon (I think that is his name) was brought up. Robert Farago should get a medal for creating this site and John Boch should get a medal for his solid reporting of Springfield Arms and Rock River Arms despicable treason to the 2A and us People Of The Gun. Oh that’s right, THE OWNER OF RRA! Can you give me a good reason why this is going on, and/or perhaps a reason why I shouldn’t run this story?”. My return trip to Illinois prevented me from meeting with Mr. Larson in person, but we did have a good conversation. Putting it aside to put ball in their court to step up and defeat this bill (i.e. Theyâre spending big bucks to stop SB-1657 â the very same gun control bill that they (and Rock River Arms) enabled by withdrawing their opposition in exchange for a carve-out. I own two of your products but I can assure you that I will never own anything else from Springfield Armory. Now, their change of stance is – again – ONLY focused on their bottom line because of the uproar from concerned citizens and their customers (I mean previous customers). As an amalgamation of former models and concepts, including the Fred Eichler Series LAR-15, the X-1 brings together the best features from Rock River’s past and yet is a beast of its own kind. So what do you think? They work out of hotel rooms here in the heart of flyover country, pounding our legislators relentlessly along with our own homegrown gun control groups. But for sale? TTAG? I explained how a number of those donations don’t appear to have been properly reported to the Illinois State Board of Elections. If Springfield and Rock River want to lie like a Persian rug, go into politics and see if you can snag some gullible fools that way. Sure – they are full of explanations to cover their asses, but they are still the swine that started it all!! That’s when his witness slip showed up under “No Position,” meaning IFMA officially took no stance as to SB-1657’s passage. The only place I’d welcome seeing them is at a soup kitchen. So I still have to ask, “Where have you been, Springfield and Rock River?”. They also serve who only sit and boycott. This now seems totally out of place. Therefore, a reasonable person might question whether this lobbyist created an empty shell corporation for each customer, and whether TTAGs reporting has been in some error because of a lack of ability or a lack of desire to understand this. One of the most prominent examples of a budget 1911 is the Rock Island Armory (RIA) 1911. Yeah, like anyone in their right mind would trust them now. “You’ve pretended to be a “reporter” but didn’t do the due diligence of one and get other sources for your story.” We can certainly use their help. You’re obviously just here to sell us stuff from Midway! Please visit your local dealer. It’s easy enough. We faced this bill last session in the Illinois General Assembly. And a decent used Springfield is still cutting into their bottom line, they make profits selling new product, the used market is a direct competitor. http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/. True Lemmings!!! The Illinois Senate passed SB 1657, the Gun Dealer Licensing Actâs official name, by only one vote. Must be 21 to purchase. Mr.Boch, you make no sense what so ever. Get out. ©COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This is a factory new LAR-15/AR-15 forged 7075 T6 Aluminum stripped lower receiver from Rock River Arms. Instead of being self-righteous here, and patting yourself on the back, thank those they REALLY wanted an XD or M1A but will now forego them to make a statement. OUT OF STOCK (1) LWRC SIX8-SPR 6.8 SPC. I think what John means is that SAI & RRA now have the opportunity to put their money where their mouths are and put their big boy pants on and TRULY help to stop this bill. You’re reporting made 2A supporters aware of what was going on here and that produced results! Chuck Larson, president and owner of Rock River Arms, also made a similar statement on May 1 saying the company is 100 percent against the Gun Dealer Licensing Act. Here in AZ, the Arizona Citizens Defense League has only around 2000 members, and yet, AZCDL and its handful of members are responsible for most of the pro-rights laws passed the last few years in AZ. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. The Jay Keller is a RRA and SA employee, “…we didn’t know.” is irresponsible. All content is posted anonymously by employees working at Rock River Arms. In the end, we killed it off as part of an “all hands on deck” effort. $ is what got them into this mess. I told him to compare and contrast the IFMA Form 990s with the ISBE website, just as I’d done. I don’t always agree with John, but I believe he’s sincere and a tireless defender of our rights. model (which most closely resembles the M1911A1 that â¦ Then they were caught. TTAG staff (thankfully) deleted the comment I was replying to. It should be a wake up call to any other firearms company out there, that just like S and W in the past, and their behind the scenes deals, the American firearms buying public doesn’t suffer fools very kindly, and it doesn’t pay to stand on the wrong side of the 2nd amendment. Wouldn’t surprise me if the “didn’t know” was true – but averting one’s eyes to avoid learning the truth in this political climate is BS. Cannot see any other viable event, unless we speculate in the twilight zone that the paid lobbyist truly went rogue and kept the represented organizations completely in the dark. Me, too. Either way, YOU’RE OUT! Chuck Larson, (RRA), is/was the treasurer of record for the IFMA. Equally plausible, possibly more so. SA and RR still fail to explain how a manufacturing group (composed entirely of SA and RR, run by their chosen in-house executives) of two entities can claim that their lobbyist took unapproved action. Is anybody aware that T-BAG used to be in the car industry and created so much fake news that the car industry bought them out to make them go away? Arizona doesn’t fight alone.). Not everyone is jumping on the kill SA/RRA bandwagon, it would seem. He repeated his SHOT line a third time, parrot-like, before walking away. You must be one of those weirdos that gets off on being punched in the face. And now, whether the bill passes or not, the damage has been done. rock river arms (in stock) 0.0. a4 9mm upper receiver. They sold you folks out. How can you welcome springfield and rra after they made a deal and there is more to this deal, that is not mentioned , and if you dig more it will come out, now they are trying to say they didn’t knew nothing, See our full line of Rock River rifles here at Impact Guns! Not only for the firearms industry, but for American industry as a whole. They aren’t sorry, they did all of this on purpose, they are just sorry they got caught. Like knowing their ad buys don’t buy silence? Time to walk and stop talking. When they finally got around to it, I’ve been wondering if they were truly misinformed or even uninformed… Or if they were backpedaling as a damage control or CYA procedure. Gross negligence at best. However, we are not open to the public for direct sales. As we’ve seen, Dennis Reese isn’t above bribery. Got it too. If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. It’s like we are trying to close the barn door after the horses are already out. Flame on, POTG, for my disagreeing with the “quick to respond masses”. The RUK-15 in 5.56 is gas operated, so Rock River Arms had to design a unique straight gas-tube assembly that didn’t come into contact with the barrel nut. I’d say it’s pretty likely that’s what happened with the creation of the IFMA and would be why SA and RRA were clueless – they were just names on incorporation documents and never took an active role. And that’s being way more generous than what most people would like to see happen. Gualtieri signed off on the purchase in April 2014. Low prices and fast shipping! Wow…SA is a POS outfit and needs to go away! People threatening his ferret? Not so much.  As a result of Rock River Arms winning the DEA contract, other federal agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and United States Marshals, have also obtained Rock River Arms weapons under piggyback contracts. (as the comments here indicate, the SA/RRA lynch mob is not going away quietly). They need the money to satisfy their greed. In January, I asked Jay Keller to clarify rumors I’d heard about IFMA possibly negotiating a deal for manufacturers as part of dealer licensing. I’m afraid that John’s excessively conciliatory approach may influence readers to likewise adopt the idea that the whole debacle really was just one big misunderstanding, and in doing so, prevent les collaborateurs from receiving their just desserts. Keep up the good work Mr Farago and Mr Boch. Otherwise… what’s your investment with these companies. http://lobbying-firms.insidegov.com/l/41251/J-Alexander-Hunt-Inc. As far as who’s on the IFMA corporation, when you create a company you have to list officers and have an annual meeting. Baghdad Bob Owens’s message: pay no attention to those men behind the IFMA curtain! I want to take them at their word, but I recall Barack Obama’s claims he read about one scandal after another in the news, too. ZERO percent chance they cut him a check, John isn’t for sale. So What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? They didn’t know the efforts of their own lobbyists working with politicians on a bill that would directly affect them? @FlamencoD, of all the things we might call you, Fudd would be the nicest. I will believe it when I see it and it better be the extra mile so deserving this community is owed , much more than a matching $50K to NRA. RRA’s co-founder is Chuck Larson, who is also IFMA’s treasurer. Also there: IFMA’s paid lobbyist Jay Keller…right up until last Thursday, when Mr. Keller went missing. Founded in 1996. Stag Arms 15 Super Varminter 6.8 SPC. Closely. No remorse there. When you ran your first “story”, you sensationalized it by titling it that SA and RRA specifically carved out a deal as if you knew that for a fact when you did not. He _had_ to have been directed to take no poisition. Thousands. http://www.azcdl.org/html/accomplishments.html. “Whatever has happened up to now, I welcome these two companies to the front lines of the fight for gun rights in Illinois.”. It would take an impressive degree of incompetence for every other officer of the organization to miss what the one guy who wasn’t a part of either corporation was doing. In the end, everyone worked together and we got the job done. (ie. Boards don’t often have 100% turnover in just a few years. There are 4 people listed as Directors on IRS form 990, Dennis Reese, (CEO of SA) and Tom Reese, (Co-chairman of the Board of SA) and Chuck Larson, (Co-Owner of RRA ) and Jay Keller, the actual lobbyist. You can delegate authority but you cannot delegate responsibility. Whitney O’Daniel from the National Shooting Sports Foundation was there at key times. We ask not your counsels or arms. Figures someone from CA would be perfectly fine with supporting a company that stabbed so many in the back. F**ck T-BAG. Are you serious? You DUMPED the genie out of the bottle, John. Rock Solid: Rock River Arms’ NSP CAR Rifle Rock River Arms ships the LAR-15 NSP CAR with a set of polymer backup sights that are spring-loaded, meaning they’ll flip up in an instant when deployed. OUT OF STOCK (1) Barrett 17011 REC7 Carbine Semi-Automatic 6.8mm SPC 16.0 10 Mag. Intro to the AR-15 Rifle at Rock River Arms Headquarters in Colona, Illinois. If you cannot make a simple, painless “sacrifice” such as buying from a different maker, then you are part of the problem. Ok cut a deal so as to benefit my business, but in doing so piss off 99.999% of my customers. I seem to recall a screenshot of a recent 990 with those names on it in one of the recent comment sections. Which still leaves SA and RR incompetent, or complicit. It may be fictional but it is an important life lesson and one that should be remembered at times such as this. I’ll bet they care now. Over in printed magazine land, Primedia has done the same thing to formerly great mags like Guns & Ammo and Florida Sportsman. But people must learn that actions have consequences. Wouldn’t surprise me if such an inaccuracy constitutes fraud or perjury (but I’m not a lawyer, but having signed 990s for years in the past, I am pretty sure there is a perjury clause). They are not friends of the firearms industry or the 2nd Amendment. Some may never forgive and none should forget what has transpired. Uncover why ROCK RIVER ARMS is the best company for you. Re: Rock River Arms guns...how are they? They didn’t have a working response for that bill? Samuel Adams. I’m a huge fan. rock river arms (in stock) 5.0 (2) ar-15/m16 9mm drop-conversion block. Flint River Armory, LLC firstname.lastname@example.org. It’s a proprietary AR receiver system based on the LAR series with integral backup iron sights that rest flush with the flattop rail and a relocated charging handle. I hope they can somehow magically stop this bill (for their sake…I own some SA products I like a lot), but I doubt it and I along with many others will hold them accountable if they don’t. After identifying myself, those answering the phone told me the men were “unavailable.” So I left a detailed message. Rock River Arms and Springfield Amory were simply focused on their bottom line and not the 2nd Amendment. Judas felt remorse at the end too, it did not go well for him either. I see posts often on WOG from state-run gun rights organizations asking for help. The point is that there’s a wide space of difference between putting your name on a document and being integrally involved in day-to-day. Wonder if they’ll actually read it. You acknowledge all this contact months prior and all this time they did NOTHING. As a result, the amended bill cleared committee and went to the Senate floor. The work is long, thankless and often frustrating. Rock River Arms. Make a donation to these pro gun groups who are doing the work you say you support to the tune of twice what you paid the lobbiests! Our legislative team spends a lot of time at the capitol, and we all work behind them and support them. So now it will have to be taken up in the court’s and run the gauntlet to the federal. The fact is that the lobbying organization was the sole property of SA and RRA. Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms Sell Out Illinois FFLs Posted at 10:42 am on May 1, 2017 by David Lombardo  At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. I agree with American Idiot. Thank You. Yes, Springfield and Rock River Arms, through their now-former lobbying outfit, the Illinois Firearms Manufacturer’s Association, traded their opposition to a Prairie State retailer licensing bill for an exemption to that law. So why would they step away from the fight in the first place and contribute to the enemy? Any future purchases will be from manufacturers west of the Mississippi, or at least south of the Mason-Dixon Line. Sure, those out there might not be able to get their favorite gun, but there are many other firms standing in the gap making equally fine products who will step up to fill the void that the possible loss of one or both of these firms create. They are a cancer meant to divide us for personal gain. A guy from the land of Lincoln complaining about carpet baggers? SA imports their firearms. Rock River Arms, Inc.® (RRA) wants to assure the Illinois (and national) firearms community that we are still 100 percent opposed to the Gun â¦ This is disgraceful and to read this article and you all going soft on them is disgraceful too. You won’t hurt my feelings. So What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? Both companies knew what was happening. BTW if you think this is good for TTAG’s ad revenue you’re crazy. Itâs a proprietary AR receiver system based on the LAR series with integral backup iron sights that rest flush with the flattop rail and a relocated charging handle. Screw them, trying to cover their asses and seem like they knew nothing about this. I’ve heard and seen first-hand the weirdness that some people slip into when they have a brain tumor or brain injury. Do they seriously think no one would notice? What a bunch of sheep. I am talking a very public stance that sends the same shock wave like how we first learned about this. OUT OF STOCK (4) LWRC SIX8-A5 6.8 SPC. They knew, they gave money to anti’s and your going to welcome them to the fight? It was the most vicious thing in the article, making their hypocrisy with regard to 2A plain as day by pointing out that now they ‘may’ be doing what they said they were this whole time). Hard to follow all that, how about a quick summary or a tweet. It contained some explicit comments. Damn I wish I could afford to move a mile east into Hoosierland…. How many Illinois gun owners didn’t do squat about this issue, and are now bitching because some scumbag lobbyist also took “no position?”. OUT OF STOCK (0) LWRC SIX8-A5 6.8 SPC. The Illinois Senate passed SB 1657, the Gun Dealer Licensing Act’s official name, by only one vote. Glad to see you’re coming around, Boch, and trying to welcome back one of best firearm manufacturers in the fight against anti-gun bills, as they’ve promised to do. It’s like you didn’t read what you yourself wrote? Had they _lied_ to Boch, they would have been more believable than the behavior they displayed. Another traitor/crony among the faithful. Yes, they mentioned the NRA and the Illinois State Rifle Association in their statements. Did you read the article? type in your search and press enter Toggle navigation. The dang bill had to be edited to add that in. Welcome, Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. I had high hopes for her and Rock River Arms. Sure, they may have funded IFMA with hundreds of thousands of dollars FOR YEARS, but they were totally in the dark about the carve-out deal. Hmm, now who was playing treasury officer? Those “quick to respond masses” are people without a massive shill or buyer’s remorse complex. Recall Aesop’s fable of “The Farmer and the Viper.” It didn’t end well for the farmer. It still must pass the House. The gun grabbers are not the ones who will buy your products, nor are they the ones who are ever going to march or send money to politicians who are going to support your companies right to sell your products to the very public that you depend on for your very existence. You and this website are claiming the two are the same. No matter how you cut it it all stinks. Are they trying to do the same thing in the firearms industry???? And if you believe the drivel these liars are feeding you, you deserve the gestapo kicking down your doors!! Rock River Arms builds some of the highest quality firearms available today. Get caught cutting said deal then claim “I didn’t know what MY lobbyist was doing. Said what you will, but the M1a is the best rifle for California. Why don’t we just ask Bob Owens? So What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? I notice that, in the original article, the campaign contributions came out of J Alexander Hunt, the lobbyist’s “personal firm”, not the IFMA. You’re surely negotiating with (bill sponsor) Harmon on this, are you?” I asked him. rock river arms (in stock) 3.1 (9) ar-15 le entry stock fixed carbine length. You won’t see my money until I see yours in the hands of the groups doing the work you should have done! Chuck Larson, president and owner of Rock River Arms, also made a similar statement on May 1 saying the company is 100 percent against the Gun Dealer Licensing Act. Consequences for your actions…when are we going to start expecting that? Even more damning is the fact that the lobbyist Jay Keller stated “No Position”. What’s also interesting, is the SA Facebook page has 3,500 more likes now than when you published this story 5 days ago. The bill quickly passed the entire Senate by a single vote. As I entered the Rock River Arms booth I half-expected to see new versions of last year’s AR-15s and the crow I ate tasted great. Go on, let’s go.”. For realz! Do you think anything that T-BAG or John Bock says is credible???? The guy didn’t just suddenly decide the day of the vote to change the IFMA’s stance without approval by the owners (Reese, Larson). While the .300 AAC Blackout has continued to grow in popularity among shooters, the new LAR-300 X-1 rifle from Rock River Arms takes the cartridge to a whole new level of performance. We value your participation.”. It is not law. The X-1 has existed in 5.56 NATO for a few years now, but the jump into the .300 BLK chambering figures to be another huge leap forwar… plucked as if directly from my addled brain. Money to anti gunner Dems goes back years! We had been betrayed by the lobbyist of a firm led by Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory’s owners — and no one else. Gun Classifieds, Guns for Sale, No Fees, 45000 guns for sale. 2nd Amendment Supporters are up in 'Arms' pun intended about the news broken by The Truth About Guns â¦ Rock River Arms is owned and operated by brothers Mark and Chuck Larson. That would make absolutely no sense if he had “gone off the rails”. Rock River Arms, Incorporated is a manufacturing company in Colona, Illinois that manufacturers parts and accessories for AR-15/M16 type rifles, as well as other firearms. I don’t need for my ass to get warm to realize someone is blowing smoke up it. These pistols are commonly available in the $400 to $500 range, or around half the price of a Colt. http://www.azcdl.org/html/accomplishments.html. He is likely the person who wrote the checks to the F rated politicians. Glad to have you the team, gentlemen.  Between 1981 and 1991 the Larsons worked at Springfield Armory, Inc., where Mark was the head armorer. Springfield, RRA, put your money where your mouth is! I’m going to go with they knew what was going on AND they are incompetent. It’s not too late. In Michigan, Michigan Open Carry does most of the work and we only have 400+ members, but the legislature takes our calls and we work closely with them to draft pro-2A bills. What the hell is this? Too little too late in my opinion. putting second amendment first and bringing every resource to kill this bill, even lying traitors shamed into fighting)? Glad to have you the team, gentlemen. Read Springfield’s first statement. There are way too many options out there, so spend your money elsewhere. The logic is fine, except for the fact that you can shoot .308 and .458 socom and .338 Federal and tons of other large calibers out of tons of other semi-auto guns. You’re lucky. -earlier reporting by TTAG confused actions on behalf of one client with another Yesterday, both Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory severed ties with their own private lobbying group, The Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). F them ….period. Enter the Rock River Arms IRS 2. Because otherwise, their time as a business could be just as fleeting as some of the others of the past. I don’t see them effing with gun owners and Mr. Boch again soon. They got caught. John, why didn’t you report on this in February when it might have done some good? I am agahst at this whole mess. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if every client of Jay Keller had a similar shell company going. Many 'spec' builders do not. How about a dumbed-down clickbait article that explains it all? Have you ever read about S&W and Ruger? From Springfield Armory, the Larsons went into partnership with Les Baer to form Les Baer Custom and build custom 1911 pistols. Negotiating an amendment to the legislation to exempt these companies in exchange for them dropping their opposition to the bill did not happen suddenly and off the cuff! Illinois is already a craphole – worst in the country. The entire thing is just a shame. For proof of that, just look at TFB where they are owned by Vertical Scope, an internets™ behemoth that has bought up damn near every internets™ forum around. You welcome them? At first, both companies attacked me, The Truth About Guns and Guns Save Life. Yours is an example of what is wrong with this country. I don’t welcome their support, I don’t welcome their voice and I don’t welcome or want their products or company anywhere near me EVER again. Screw both companies. Long term friends/allies begging him to call off the dogs? He didn’t know they were getting a carve out? I’m looking forward to buying a Springfield 1911 RO and possibly the new XDe soon. 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